Laura: I don't suppose it came up at that dinner because you were probably being very polite. But there are policy changes that would help businesses like yours. Can you talk about some of them? Because some of the people who might be watching might be people who are in government or who are in position to actually make some policy change. Rush Limbaugh wasn't right in saying there's money flowing to lesbian farmers.
Laura: But there could be.
Serafina: There could be, yes. Certainly. I think that our experience is limited. We've only been in the industry for 3 and a half years. I can't speak to it as an expert by any means.
Laura: But there are presumably things that could've been easier for you.
Serafina: Access to capital for rural businesses. That's where we actually did access our, the VC money came through a program that Secretary Vilsack created. We're very fortunate to have that access stream. There's a lot of people in rural communities, in agricultural communities that don't have access to those kinds of resources that's greatly needed.
Just even some of the regulations around the access to kill facilities and poultry processing and how that's ... Folks want to do things locally, and there's not an ability to do it. There's a huge need for changes and shifts for how people can create meat and poultry products on a local basis. It's kind of a globalized industry right now. It's very expensive to get into it.
When we started, we were like well how hard can it be, we'll make some chicken fingers. Then we learned about the USDA ...
Jen: We did a Kickstarter for $25,000. That's it. We're good. We're done.
Serafina: No. We needed millions.
Jen: That was less than a drop in the bucket.
Serafina: You need a huge access to capital to get into this particular industry.
Jen: Owning your own meat company is extremely expensive. We didn't know, and I'm shocked we're still here today.
Laura: Talk a little bit more about the sexism in the business. I think we all, clearly, if this election has taught us anything, need to talk more about the sexism that we're up against.